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	<title>Comments on: Thoughts as (un)usual</title>
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		<title>By: Thomas</title>
		<link>http://blog.wolfganglukas.com/2006/05/31/thoughts-as-unusual/comment-page-1/#comment-36</link>
		<dc:creator>Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Sep 2006 09:42:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ettsem said:
&quot;I do not, however, think that a bunch of people meditating in one house make the people next door more likely to wake up. (I could be wrong.)&quot;

You probably are (but I could be wrong).

If a bunch of persons living a house next to you are constantly practicing towards liberation, awakening or whatever name you care to give it - I would indeed say that this makes it more likely for you to wake up. It&#039;s a legitimate question to ask &quot;Wake up to *what*?&quot; and points directly to the point of inquiry to what is happening exactly, and what you mean by, when you say &quot;bunch of people medidating&quot;.

Considering the amount of influence the environment excerts on the individual mind I&#039;d say that it would be highly beneficial to have more bunches of persons medidating in houses next to you (for arbitrary &quot;yous&quot;). 

It gets of course a whole lot more interesting when belief-systems about &quot;medidation&quot; (a next to useless abstraction in my eyes - what exactly those this word signify?) enter the scene, especially the ones constructed to ridicule such persons (and the ones put in place by practicing persons themselves, of course).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ettsem said:<br />
&#8220;I do not, however, think that a bunch of people meditating in one house make the people next door more likely to wake up. (I could be wrong.)&#8221;</p>
<p>You probably are (but I could be wrong).</p>
<p>If a bunch of persons living a house next to you are constantly practicing towards liberation, awakening or whatever name you care to give it &#8211; I would indeed say that this makes it more likely for you to wake up. It&#8217;s a legitimate question to ask &#8220;Wake up to *what*?&#8221; and points directly to the point of inquiry to what is happening exactly, and what you mean by, when you say &#8220;bunch of people medidating&#8221;.</p>
<p>Considering the amount of influence the environment excerts on the individual mind I&#8217;d say that it would be highly beneficial to have more bunches of persons medidating in houses next to you (for arbitrary &#8220;yous&#8221;). </p>
<p>It gets of course a whole lot more interesting when belief-systems about &#8220;medidation&#8221; (a next to useless abstraction in my eyes &#8211; what exactly those this word signify?) enter the scene, especially the ones constructed to ridicule such persons (and the ones put in place by practicing persons themselves, of course).</p>
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		<title>By: Ettsem</title>
		<link>http://blog.wolfganglukas.com/2006/05/31/thoughts-as-unusual/comment-page-1/#comment-16</link>
		<dc:creator>Ettsem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Jul 2006 22:19:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I have also included the assumption that consciousness is part of the universe and its laws.&quot;

Nice to see you&#039;ve included consciousness inside the universe. I&#039;ve seen a lot of people try to set consciousness above everything else,  but I still don&#039;t know why.  I have yet to encounter any evidence that consciousness is kind of &quot;field&quot; or backdrop, in the sense that spacetime is.  I have, of course, seen a lot of BAD evidence that it is so, but none of them have yet won Randi&#039;s million-dollar prize so I&#039;m still waiting.

&quot;I wondered whether such a path is ultimately leading your consciousness one level ...&quot;

I&#039;ve always thought of it as moving DOWN a level. When I visualize people who are living in conditioned belief, I imagine myself looking UP at them (not down), because they&#039;ve got so much more than I do!  :)

&quot;Maybe, if enough human beings perform this task, they will â€œpullâ€? the rest with them as the critical mass is reached?&quot;

We may see that happen anyway. If we continue on our current course of belief-infested action, we&#039;ll destroy humanity.  So maybe we&#039;ll (A) not see it because we&#039;re dead or (B) not be dead because people have finally realized it&#039;s time to wake up.

I do not, however, think that a bunch of people meditating in one house make the people next door more likely to wake up.  (I could be wrong.)

&quot;Nor can we speculate about what comes next...&quot;

I&#039;m predicting that within 50 years we&#039;ll have something akin to a brain-Google interface, at which point our sense of Self and separation will become somewhat diminished.  Of course, we&#039;ll also occasionally be forced to beg off from responsibilities, saying, &quot;Sorry, my brain has gone down.&quot;

Interpreting that kind of thing in terms of Moore&#039;s Law, I wonder just how &quot;human&quot; we&#039;ll be in another century?  If I could get into a time machine and visit the year 2106, would I even be able to make sense of what people are doing?  

&quot;I have no idea whether all of this makes any sense to anyone...&quot;

Sure it makes sense.  Mind you, I&#039;m generally cautious when I read anything that seems like it could be interpreted teleologically.  You didn&#039;t do that, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I have also included the assumption that consciousness is part of the universe and its laws.&#8221;</p>
<p>Nice to see you&#8217;ve included consciousness inside the universe. I&#8217;ve seen a lot of people try to set consciousness above everything else,  but I still don&#8217;t know why.  I have yet to encounter any evidence that consciousness is kind of &#8220;field&#8221; or backdrop, in the sense that spacetime is.  I have, of course, seen a lot of BAD evidence that it is so, but none of them have yet won Randi&#8217;s million-dollar prize so I&#8217;m still waiting.</p>
<p>&#8220;I wondered whether such a path is ultimately leading your consciousness one level &#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve always thought of it as moving DOWN a level. When I visualize people who are living in conditioned belief, I imagine myself looking UP at them (not down), because they&#8217;ve got so much more than I do!  :)</p>
<p>&#8220;Maybe, if enough human beings perform this task, they will â€œpullâ€? the rest with them as the critical mass is reached?&#8221;</p>
<p>We may see that happen anyway. If we continue on our current course of belief-infested action, we&#8217;ll destroy humanity.  So maybe we&#8217;ll (A) not see it because we&#8217;re dead or (B) not be dead because people have finally realized it&#8217;s time to wake up.</p>
<p>I do not, however, think that a bunch of people meditating in one house make the people next door more likely to wake up.  (I could be wrong.)</p>
<p>&#8220;Nor can we speculate about what comes next&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m predicting that within 50 years we&#8217;ll have something akin to a brain-Google interface, at which point our sense of Self and separation will become somewhat diminished.  Of course, we&#8217;ll also occasionally be forced to beg off from responsibilities, saying, &#8220;Sorry, my brain has gone down.&#8221;</p>
<p>Interpreting that kind of thing in terms of Moore&#8217;s Law, I wonder just how &#8220;human&#8221; we&#8217;ll be in another century?  If I could get into a time machine and visit the year 2106, would I even be able to make sense of what people are doing?  </p>
<p>&#8220;I have no idea whether all of this makes any sense to anyone&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Sure it makes sense.  Mind you, I&#8217;m generally cautious when I read anything that seems like it could be interpreted teleologically.  You didn&#8217;t do that, though.</p>
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